tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post5378759728733288246..comments2024-03-29T07:22:38.372+00:00Comments on Pop Classics: Agora (dir. Alejandro Amenabar, 2009)Juliettehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-38285330136580455802015-01-05T00:02:45.302+00:002015-01-05T00:02:45.302+00:00Please, check your data concerning the way Hypathi...Please, check your data concerning the way Hypathia was killed. Ancient sources simply don't confirm wieldly belived story, that she was flayed alive. This myth was created probably by Gibbon himself. He was deeply biased against religion in general and christianity in palticular and should be approached with extreme caution. For all liberties taken with history by people behind this movie (obviously with rather questionable aim in mind, namely to create and convey ideological, anti-religious message), depiction of Hypatia death is probably as close to what really did happen as one could hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-8147143444559786722011-10-03T20:32:36.193+01:002011-10-03T20:32:36.193+01:00Thanks! It is gorgeous isn't it?! So beautiful...Thanks! It is gorgeous isn't it?! So beautifully filmed.Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-73557729083262355352011-10-03T13:57:47.039+01:002011-10-03T13:57:47.039+01:00great review Julette! I think what I liked most f...great review Julette! I think what I liked most from this film (other than the gorgeousness of a period piece) was the fact that it was about an ancient woman philosopher/scientist... definitely not enough stories about learned women out there!<br /><br />I for one was also really surprised by the whole thing when looking at it as part of Alejandro Amenabar's career (he usually writes his own films as well as direct them), this one was so different from everything else he's done (and only his 2nd film in English). I have the disc at home waiting to watch it a 2nd time one of these days... the first time was dubbed so this will be kind of a new experience ;o)CrazyCrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17512240982215608638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-28424124508849201682011-09-20T15:04:27.623+01:002011-09-20T15:04:27.623+01:00DemetriosX: Yeah, yeah, sure. But I still like giv...DemetriosX: Yeah, yeah, sure. But I <i>still</i> like giving Christianity a kick in the shins. So sue me.NomadUKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-47759859834904782832011-09-20T14:50:33.111+01:002011-09-20T14:50:33.111+01:00You're welcome! :)
The historical Hypatia was...You're welcome! :)<br /><br />The historical Hypatia was a mathematician, astronomer and philosopher - the film focuses on astronomy because of the Galileo thing I thinkJuliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-2454880947731429562011-09-20T14:43:13.569+01:002011-09-20T14:43:13.569+01:00I didn't know this film existed. Now I want to...I didn't know this film existed. Now I want to see it! Thanks!<br /><br />Also... us mathematicians consider Hypathia to be one of the few famous female mathematicians, while from your review it sounds like she's more of an astronomer in the film. Then again, the Greeks (and therefore Romans) didn't really go for specialism.Stefannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-36761984661587604382011-09-20T13:12:30.597+01:002011-09-20T13:12:30.597+01:00I went and looked up my source for the insertion o...I went and looked up my source for the insertion of the passage and see I got it wrong. The whole of 1 Tim is from the early 2nd century. It was a similar passage in 1 Cor that was added later.<br /><br />@Nomad: The problem with Gibbon is that his defense of his thesis led him to twist his material to that end. He interprets things in ways that support his contention even if he has to spin like mad. It makes him a poor historian and, worse, his influence is still affecting historiography today.DemetriosXnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-15052998328950591492011-09-20T12:33:11.243+01:002011-09-20T12:33:11.243+01:00And, anyway, hooray for Gibbon. Anyone with a seri...And, anyway, hooray for Gibbon. Anyone with a serious axe to grind against Christianity — or, frankly, any of its relatives — is okay in my book.NomadUKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-62636000609376528962011-09-20T12:32:07.053+01:002011-09-20T12:32:07.053+01:00My Roman history professor always stated his firm ...My Roman history professor always stated his firm belief that Rome fell because they turned away from the true gods and fell in with this bogus monotheistic stuff, and the gods smote them for it. Certainly sounded like a fine reason to me.<br /><br />This disc is still sitting in my queue; I do wish they'd get on with it and send it already.NomadUKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-33567686422848413452011-09-20T11:40:31.004+01:002011-09-20T11:40:31.004+01:00I'm not a Biblical scholar, but as I understan...I'm not a Biblical scholar, but as I understand it, the current thinking is that the letter as a whole is not one of Paul's, but a slightly later work. It certainly fits into the film very well.<br /><br />I think Gibbon is indeed the chief root of the idea - it's especially interesting the way the works that favour Christianity find it equally responsible for the fall of Rome, they just argue that that was a good thing!Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730513615909994019.post-9620668961117043082011-09-20T11:07:10.743+01:002011-09-20T11:07:10.743+01:00Much of the blame for blaming Christianity for the...Much of the blame for blaming Christianity for the downfall of Rome is probably due to Gibbon, who seems to have had a serious axe to grind with religion in general. He did a lot of spinning in his famous history.<br /><br />The line in 1 Tim. was probably inserted around this time period, maybe a little earlier or a little later. Certainly women played a more active role in Paul's day and consider Thekla who actually worked with him. But I can see it having a role in the film. The timing almost works.DemetriosXnoreply@blogger.com